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Resurrection did not occur on Sunday,occurred sunset Saturday

by Tracy
(Spirit Lake, Idaho USA)

The problem with calling Sunday the "Lord's Day" is that the resurrection did not occur on Sunday, nowhere in the Bible does it say that it occurred on Sunday. Jesus himself said in Matthew 12:39 & 40 that the only sign that would be given to an "evil and adulterous generation" is that he would be in the tomb for three days and three nights. You can't get three nights out of a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection, the most you can get is two nights.

Daniel 9:27 says the crucifixion would happen in the "midst of the week". The original scripture of Mark 16:1 is "after the SabbathS WERE past", but they thought it was a mistake so they translated it as a singular "Sabbath". So, there were two Sabbaths between the crucifixion and resurrection, the yearly Sabbath of the Feast of Unleaven Bread, which occurred on Thursday of that week, and the weekly Sabbath of Saturday. So, the crucifixion happened on Wednesday, fulfilling the Daniel 9:27 prophecy of the "midst of the week", and he was in the tomb Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night (three nights), all day Thursday, all day Friday, and all day Saturday (three days), and the resurrection occurred a few minutes before sunset on Saturday, EXACTLY 72 hours after he had been put in the tomb. The SPECIFIC reason Jesus spoke the prophecy of "three days and three nights", was to give people NO REASON to observe Sunday as a special day. The Bible only says that they found the tomb empty Sunday morning, but when they found it empty he had already been gone by 9 or 10 hours. The false churches ASSUME things that are not true, and when you ASSUME, and I believe the assumption, you make an ASS out of U and ME.

If the apostles stopped resting on the 7th day, they were sinning. And if a person says they "sanctify EVERY day", that means they never get any work done and are a lazy person. No, the apostles rested on the 7th day their entire lives. It was not until Constantine changed the day to Sunday to appease the Sun worshippers, and combined paganism with Christianity and became the first Pope, and started the Catholic church, that Sunday became a common observance among people who CLAIM to be Christian, but are not. Just like Revelation 2:9 says, "....who say they are Jews (Christians), but are the synogogue of Satan". So, if a person calls Sunday the "Lord's Day", their "Lord" is not Jesus, but Satan. God's Commandments NEVER change, and the whole UNIVERSE observes the Ten Commandments, including the 7th day Sabbath. So, in multiples of 7 from the Creation week, whenever the Earth spins through the 7th day, the other Beings of God are resting also. Satan has deceived the world into thinking that God's Commandments are not necessary.

By the way, the reason Jesus said an "evil and adulterous generation" in Matthew 12:39 & 40 is because "evil" is to do as Eve did, to use human reasoning to disobey God (under Satan's influence). So, man uses his own reason to give God the finger about the Sabbath COMMANDMENT and say, "NO, I will call a different day a special day", and use false and faulty reasoning to condone it. If God would have wanted us to change the day, or to consider Sunday as a "special" day, he would have given us a Commandment to do so, but you will find it nowhere in the Bible, which even the Catholic church admits. Even the Catholic church (which goes largely by tradition), says, "If a person goes ONLY by the scriptures of the Bible they would LOGICALLY become a Seventh Day Adventist, as there is no command to observe the first day of the week, which is an institution of the Catholic church". They also say that if a person considers Sunday as a special day the are obeying the Pope (so they are a "Popian" not a "Christian"). Resting on the 7th day IDENTIFIES the creator of the universe as your "God". It aligns you with the creator, and shows you are on "His side". It's as simple as that.

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Dec 01, 2011
by: Travis

The same day jesus rose from the grave, is the same day he started to appear to people, Like the two on the road when they said, is it not been 3 days sense all these things taken place? This was sunday day later early or mid afternoon and The two mary's came early morning on the same day.


Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mat 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.

Note that in verse 62, the request for a guard on the tomb was made on a Sabbath (the day after the preparation) and that the request was for a guard until the third day. Now, here is how the following verses should be printed:

Mat 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch in the end of the sabbath.
Mat 28:1 As it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Note that the wording is not changed, merely the dividing point of the verses is changed by moving the period ending verse sixty-six. It was the watch guarding the tomb that began at the end of the sabbath! This shows that Matthew and Mark agree completely as to when the women came to the tomb: just before the rising of the sun at dawn, the first day of the week, Sunday.

Dec 01, 2011
The law
by: Travis

what tracy does not understand The law of moses and The law of God are not two different sets of laws.

jesus himself said have you not heard in the law of moses, thou shalt honor thy mother and father? guess what this is one of the ten commandments and which Jesus refer to The law of Moses.

this is just one example, I can get pretty deep in showing no distinction from law of God and law of moses.

Nov 21, 2011
Here we go again
by: James J Harvey


I don't hold to any form in word or spirit with British-Israelism.

It was God who gave the commandment of the Sabbath and the 7 Feasts to the nation of Israel. Where in the Scriptures before God gave them the sabbath, did God command any to honor the sabbath?

You are still missing the point of Acts 13-15 and the decision of the Council of Apostles and Elders. Keeping the sabbath day is one of the characteristics of being a Jew.

I am glad to hear to you are a relative of a great American, President Abraham Lincoln, but that doesn't mean you are a part of 144,000. Also nice to know that I actually met one of Jehovah's 144,000 witnesses! Hallelujah, Praise God!! Or a follower of Herbert W Armstrong and his errors or just some errors that you came up by yourself.

I don't even know why I am commenting still; o, yes, I do, because of the error that you still continue to spew out of your mouth.

O,also, what about Romans 14?

I almost done with this whole conversation that isn't producing any thing of worth while.

Nov 21, 2011
by: Paul Pavao (webmaster)

Okay, that was enough. There were three posts from Tracy, and as you can see from the most recent, he's now raving like a lunatic. I hope that he will come to his senses, but I'm certainly not going to let him post here anymore.

I was unable to ban Tracy without deleting one of his posts (just the way the system is set up), so I opted for his second one, where he hoped that Jim and I would escape the captivity of satan.

I hope there's something of benefit in all the discussion on this page.

Nov 21, 2011
Oh, by the way
by: Tracy

By the way, you cannot be blamed for not knowing ahead of time that you are communicating with one of the 144,000, who receive the "seal of God in their foreheads". That means they receive the truth in their minds from God. The 144,000 are decendants of the man named "Israel", who, of course, was a decendant of Abraham. My Great, Great grandmother was Prudence Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln's cousin. Abraham Lincoln's grandfather was also named Abraham. Abraham Lincoln was a decendant of one of the 12 tribes, which means that I am too. I am one of the "elect", who CANNOT be deceived by illogical thinking. Here is one for you. The equation E=MC2 is a false equation. There is no way to quantify the speed of light to put it into an equation, as 186,282 miles per second is a man-determined number. Kilometers per second is man determined also, and would, of course, be a different number.
In Revelation 20, where Satan is "chained" in the "Bottemless Pit", the chain is gravity, and the Bottemless Pit is ORBIT around the Earth, where he keeps moving for 1,000 years. When you are in orbit you are "falling" around the Earth, and you are weightless, just like falling out of an airplane (where you have the sensation of weightlessness). At the end of the 1,000 years, there is a "Lake of Fire", and after there is a new heaven and a new Earth, and "no more seas". Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, which is the same ratio as the hydrogen/oxygen that the Space Shuttle main engines used. A device will be cast into the sea, which starts separating the hydrogen and oxygen, and ignites it, and it causes a chain-reaction to burn up all water on the planet, but the result of combustion of hydrogen/oxygen is just a smaller amount of water, so there will be fresh-water lakes all over the Earth, no more oceans, and no more vapor in the atmosphere, thus a blue-sky only, a new "heaven" and "new" Earth. Now, do you think I know what I am talking about?

Nov 21, 2011
Ten Commandments are not "Law of Moses"
by: Tracy

I have just read Acts 15, and it only says that the Gentiles did not have to become Jews first before becoming Christians, meaning that they did not have to follow the Law of Moses, which was only the ceremonial laws and observances of the ANNUAL Sabbaths, which have nothing to do with the WEEKLY Sabbath of the Ten Commandments. The ceremonial laws (animal sacrifice, feasts, new moons, annual Sabbaths) were handwritten by Moses, but the Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God on STONE. If God would have meant for the WEEKLY Sabbath to be done away, he would have made it part of the ceremonial law that was done away with at the crucifixion, but he did not. The Ten Commandments are NOT the "Law of Moses", they are the "Law of God". It is even misunderstood by many who say that there is a place (can't remember which verse) in the New Testament that says, "do not judge a man for the new moon, eating of meat, Sabbaths....", etc. They take this OPPOSITE of what is meant. It does not mean do not judge him because he DOESN'T keep these things, it means do not judge him if he DOES keep these things, as there were people who accepted Jesus but still observed the ceremonial law. Keeping the ceremonial law is not necessary, but if a person DOES still keep those things it won't hurt anything. It's like putting something in the refrigerator that doesn't need to be, it won't hurt, so doing it is irrelevant. There is NO PLACE in the Bible, by any INTENTION of God, or by any proper understanding, that even hints that the Ten Commandments are no longer in effect, or that they were "just for the jews". That is what Satan used to decieve one third of the Angels, he told them that they did not need God's laws, and they could do whatever they wanted to. That is what YOU call the "liberty in Christ". You use the cloak of Christianity to think you are saved, all the while uttering out of the corner of your mouth "I don't need to do what Jesus said or did". Jesus said, "They worship me in vain, teaching as a doctrine the Commandments of Men, instead of the Commandments of God", and "Whoever calls me "Lord", and does not do the things I say, is a liar and the truth is not in him". Did Jesus ever work on the WEEKLY Sabbath? No, he did not, and he "is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow". He even said, "not one jot or tittle in no wise will pass from the law until the Earth passes away". Look out your window. Is the Earth still here? So, don't confuse the "Law of Moses" with the "Law of God". The "Law of Moses" pointed to the future, and was fulfilled, the "Law of God" is ETERNAL. You need to start thinking logically, as your mind is not operating properly, it is defective, which means you don't have the "Holy Spirit".

Nov 21, 2011
A Conversation?
by: Paul Pavao (webmaster)

Well said, Jim.

Tracy's last comment is an example of what I mean. This is not a conversation. For Tracy, it's a monologue. Nothing we say is being taken into consideration.

Yes, the Scriptures talk about obeying the commands of Christ. They talk about it over and over again, but why should we assume that's the ten commandments in the form the Jews, who did not have the Spirit of God, received them?

I have thoroughly addressed the fullness of the Law, and anyone who actually read what I said would already know that verses about obeying God's commands are completely in line with what I say (and what Jim is saying). Nonetheless, Tracy has thrown out the verses as though they somehow defended his position.

At that point, no discussion is going on, no seeking for truth, just a close-minded, blind chanting of a position and a few Scriptures learned to defend that position.

Irenaeus once described the gnostics as being like a poor artist who disassembled a beautiful mosaic of a great king, then reassembled the stones into a very poor picture of a fox or wolf. That's what they did to the Scriptures, and there are still many doing that to the Scriptures today. Their honesty and openness, or lack thereof, needs to be exposed and made evident.

Nov 21, 2011
You Just Don't Get It
by: James J Harvey, Camden, OH


Have you ever read (understand) Acts 13-15? Have you ever read (understood) the Apostle to the Gentile Nations, Paul's letter to the predominate GENTILE believers in Galatia? Have you ever heard of the 7 Laws of Noah who would be those in the book of Acts who are called God-fearers? Have you ever read (understand) Romans especially chapters 9, 10, and 11?

Let me answer that for you. No, You have not. If you did then you would know that the early church already dealt with this issue when it would have dealt with the circumcision issue as well. If God had wanted GENTILE believers to keep the Sabbath Day (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) then would have Christ's Apostle, Paul, dealt with that issue. Oh, wait a minute he did. Just read in order to understand what he said! In Colossians he says that Christ is the substance! The feasts and keeping of the sabbath day is but a mere shadow! Christ Jesus is the substance.

I know that I can not change your mind and to be honest I am not sure if the Spirit of God can change your mind either. I know that that might be a "wow, I can't believe you said that" but I am not going to hold any punches. You are NOT going to take away my liberty that I and Paul Pavao and others enjoy in Christ Jesus. O, by the way, the Apostle Paul mentions some thing about that in Galatians, you might want to read that too1 :)

In your zeal to serve God, you are actually thinking that you are doing God a service, o, I think Jesus mentions some thing about that too.

I say all of this as a matter of correction just as Paul Pavao has in his responses to your comments as well.

May we all find and keep the mercy of Jesus Christ!

Nov 20, 2011
Ignoring the 4th Commandment
by: Tracy

I could explain much to you, but it is a simple matter that the Ten Commandments (Requests from God), were not just for the Jews, they are for all mankind. In Revelation it says AT LEAST twice, "These are those who have the testimony of Jesus and keep the Commandments of God". Revelation was written well AFTER the crucifixion and resurrection, so, if you fail to live by the 4th Commandment, you will CAST YOURSELF into the Lake of Fire in the end. God does not kill you, you kill yourself.

Nov 20, 2011
Common misconceptions
by: Tracy

Mr. Pavao,
The Sabbath is not "Jewish". The Sabbath was instituted at creation, where God created in six days and rested on the seventh, and BLESSED and SANCTIFIED the 7th day. When God gave the Ten Commandments WRITTEN ON STONE to the Children of Israel, they were supposed to give them to the rest of the world, and be an example to the rest of the world, but failed to do so. The fact that they were written on STONE proves that they are PERMANENT Commandments, PERMANENT MORAL rules. To say that the 4th Commandment has been done away is like saying it's now OK to steal, or now OK to murder. Jesus said if you break one, you have broken the chain. He said, "You make the Commandments of God have NO EFFECT because of your traditions". Sunday observance is a TRADITIONAL observance. Satan is OPPOSITE God, and Sunday is the OPPOSITE day of the week from the 7th day. Sunday observance came from combining sun worship with Christianity to form the Catholic church. That's why they put the circles behind the head of Jesus, Mary, and the Apostles, they taught that Jesus was the "son of the Sun God".
The "Law of Moses" you mention was only the ceremonial law, which were "handwritten ordanances" that were "nailed to the cross" (you can't nail stone to wood). Those ceremonial laws pointed forward to Jesus, as a "foreshadow of things to come", but the Ten Commandments are MORAL law, which morality never changes. The observance of resting on the 7th day, as God did, is a sign of RESPECT for God and appreciation of the creation, and acknowledging that he who rested on the 7th day is the CREATOR of the Universe, and YOUR creator, therefore you HONOR your Creator, and it is your acknowledgement of his "signature", and that you understand that he wants you to be like Him. They actually should not call them the Ten "Commandments", as if in that God is like a military commander, like Satan would be. They should be called "requests", as God is not a dictator, but he tells us that if we do not honor his requests we will SELF-DESTRUCT. When he told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the fruit of the tree that he told them not to, they would DIE, not that he would KILL them. So, failing to follow the Ten Requests leads to decay and DEATH, that a person brings upon themselves. That's why this planet is a demonstration planet to the rest of the Universe, that if you live Satan's way it will lead to Nuclear War, self-destruction. Satan is trying to tell the rest of the Universe that you don't need to live by the Ten Requests, that you don't need to do things God's way, and "survival of the fittest", and competition for your own gain (selfishness), and the hell with who it hurts.
The Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection was NOT taught or believed by the early church, it was not taught until after 325 A.D. as a misunderstanding of the scripture by the Catholic church.

Nov 20, 2011
For Others
by: Paul Pavao (webmaster)

I don't expect to convince the rabid Sabbath keepers of anything truthful. Like many King James Only believers and about half the Roman Catholics who write on this site, they have a set of verses they harp and harp, and nothing could possible be said to even catch their attention.

For those who wonder about verses that the Sabbath keepers use, I refer you back to the original page:

The early churches kept what they referred to as a perpetual Sabbath. Being spiritual people, Christians can enter into a constant rest in Christ. This is talked about in Hebrews 4. It also fits all the Scripture, unlike the attempt to continue to keep the Jewish Sabbath, which always leads to many other examples of keeping the Law against NT teaching. It also leads to all sorts of unreasonable explanations of verses like Colossians 2:16 and other verses on the Law.

For a complete understanding of early Christian teaching on the Law, see The early Christian understanding leaves no difficult verses at all, making it clear that Jesus and Paul had exactly the same view and use of the Law. This used to be known by all Christians, and it's very sad that it's been forgotten.

As for Christ being crucified on Wednesday, that situation is a lot more complicated, but the Wednesday view doesn't make it any easier. The fact is, that everyone in the early churches understood Jesus to have been crucified on Friday, and none had any struggles with the idea of 3 days and 3 nights, but if you want to wrestle through the idea of a Wednesday crucifixion, I warn you, it will make your head spin and create as many questions as it answers.

Nov 18, 2011
It matters what day you rest, as God has instructed
by: Tracy

Any church that uses the term "Good" Friday, is saying that the day Jesus was killed was a "good" day, as in "what's in it for me?" attitude (selfishness). It was actually Wednesday that he was killed, in fulfillment of prophecy, so it should be called "shameful Wednesday", as it was our sins that caused him to willingly suffer and die for us. You can't get three nights out of a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection. Sunday was only the day they found the tomb empty. The next day "Sabbath" after the crucifixion was the YEARLY Sabbath of the "Feast of Unleaven Bread", which occurred on Thursday of that week, not the WEEKLY Sabbath. John 19:31 even says it was a "high" day, and any Jewish Rabbi will tell you that a "high" day is a YEARLY Sabbath. The original scripture of Mark 16:1 and Matthew 28:1 is "when the SabbathS WERE past", plural, but it was wrongly translated into singular "Sabbath". So, it DOES matter, in that the Seventh Day Sabbath is STILL in effect in Christianity. Any church that teaches a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection is calling Jesus a false prophet. And here is one for you, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that Jesus' arms were put on the cross piece, that is a fabrication of the Catholic church. The cross piece was only used to put the name of the criminal and charges he was guilty of, as in Jesus' case it was "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" in three languages. His arms were put ABOVE him on the POLE, just as his own prophecy in John 3:14 states (same manner as Moses putting the serpent on a POLE). The cross was a PAGAN religious symbol, and the Catholic church is 70% paganism and only 30% Christian. The Catholic Churches' use of a statue of Jesus on the cross is telling true Christians, "this is what we will do to you", as the Catholic church KILLED true Christians that observed the 7th day Sabbath and called them "heretics". The Catholic church ALREADY puts the cross on the forehead and right hand in some ceremonies, and the Pope is the one who has the Roman numerals that add up to 666 in the Latin Words on the Pope's mitre and throne, "Vicarious Filli Dei", which means "instead of the Son of God". So, Catholics are "Popians", not "Christians". So, the cross is the "Mark of the Beast", and true Christians, who obey the 2nd Commandment and do not have any religios symbols, know that any church that uses the cross as a symbol is a false version of Christianity that does not obey all of the Commandments. Here's something interesting for you. The original teaching of the Catholic church was that Jesus was the "Son of the Sun God". That's why there are circles behind the heads of Jesus, Mary, and the Apostles, which represent the Sun. That's also where "halos" came from. The Catholic church, and her "daughter" churches according to Revelation 17, are extensions of the Roman Empire DISGUISED as "Chrisianity", as even the Protestant churches kept some of the false teachings.

Nov 18, 2011
by: James Harvey

Is He still dead? In the long run and in the big picture of things, does it really matter? Seriously, does it really matter??!!!?

The Lord Jesus is NOT dead but He has risen. He is risen indeed! Hallelujah!!!

From my understanding, the Church holds to a Good Friday and then Resurrection Sunday are the three days and nights. But it is also interesting that the early church was not unified on this subject either because those who were with the Apostle John held to the 14 of Nisan regardless of where it was in the week compared to the church of Rome. Paul Pavao, the founder of this website, has made mentioned of that in his new book, In the beginning was the Logos, and also I believe a couple of webpages on this website.

But back to my original. Does it really matter? He is no longer dead but God the Father Almighty has raised Him up from the dead and exalted Him up to Right Hand of God. Hallelujah!!

Nov 05, 2011
all 70 weeks are finished
by: Tracy

The decree to rebuild Jerusalem was issued by Artexerxes in 457 BC. 69 weeks of years later Jesus was baptized and began his ministry as our Messiah. 3.5 years after he was baptized, he was crucified in the middle of the last 7 years (70th week). 3.5 years after he was crucified was the stoning of Steven by the Pharisees, the Jew's final rejection of Christ as Messiah, which closed their probation period ("70 weeks are determined upon the people). So, the entire 70 weeks has already been fulfilled. The teaching that the 70th week has not happened yet is a false teaching. It says that AFTER the 69 weeks (7 weeks plus 62 weeks) he is cutoff, not AT the end of the 69 weeks. He was crucified 3.5 years AFTER the end of the 69 weeks, in the middle of the 70th week. He did cause sacrifice to cease. When God give a prophecy of the "middle of the week" it has to come true in EVERY POSSIBLE way, lest Satan would be able to call God a liar. That means he was crucified in the middle of a 49 year period (50th year being Jubilee), in the middle of the 7 year period, and the middle of the literal 7 day "week", on a Wednesday. If the crucifixion happened on Friday, then Satan would be able to call God a liar and say, "See, it didn't happen in the "middle" of the week as you foretold". God is perfect and makes NO mistakes.
So, now you have the proper understanding of the "70 weeks".

Nov 04, 2011
danial 9:27 NOT midweek
by: valspapa

Come on people, use your brains here. Verse 24 begins with the prophecy of the seventy weeks fortold by Gabrial to the people of Isreal, Notice how it says( upon thy people and thy holy city) Verse 25 explains the time that it all begins, In Nehemiah, King Artaxerxes gave this edit in Nehemiah 2 which began in 444 bc. ( his twentieth year of reign). Verse 26 explains that it will then be 69 weeks untill the messiah is proclaimed as the king. ( Psalm sunday, April 6, 32 AD) EXACTLY 173,880 Days after the edit was given to rebuild the walls and streets. Note this is the only time in the Bible an edit was given to rebuild the walls and streets instead of the temple. Now verse 26 also tells us that the messiah will be cut off, ( crucified ) then in verse 27, after the end of the 69 weeks and the crucification, we are carried to the seventieth week, NOT the middle of the crucification week,Crist has already been cut off in the last verse, This seventieth week is not yet come as it is the tribulation week which is yet to come. We Christians are now living in the church age and NOT a time which is for thy people and thy holy city. ( Jewish nation ) It is not so hard to understand, this is some of the most interesting scripture in the whole Bible, but you have to do your research and study. When you get it, you will be amazed.

Oct 15, 2011
30 minutes cannot mean one day
by: Tracy

Even if the Jews considered part of a day to count as one day, it could not include the 15 to 30 minutes before sunset when Jesus was buried. It would have to be at least a few hours hours to count for one day. He was put into the tomb right before sunset, and was resurrected right before sunset three FULL days later. Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three full days and three full nights, 72 hours, and Jesus said he would be in the tomb for the same length of time. If the crucifixion occurred on Friday, then the Daniel 9:27 prophecy did not come true, saying that the crucifixion would be in the "middle of the week" (he will cause sacrifice to cease).
There is NOWHERE in the Bible that says the resurrection occurred on Sunday, only that that's when they found the tomb empty, so it is only a false ASSUMPTION that it occurred on Sunday. You know that when we ASSUME we are often wrong. The reason Jesus said, in Matthew 12:39&40 that "the only sign that will be given to an evil and adulterous generation is that the Son of Man will be in the tomb for three days and three nights" was to give people NO REASON to observe Sunday as a special day, as it is a day from PAGANISM, not from Christianity. Since he HAD to be crucified in the middle of the week, then the resurrection HAD to happen late Saturday, and when they found the tomb empty he had already been gone by about 9 or 10 hours.

Oct 14, 2011
My Turn Again
by: James Harvey

Understanding how the Jews consider a day then it is no problem to see how from Friday to Sunday is in fact three days and three nights.

Any part of the day was considered a day.

"Study to show yourself approved . . . "

Apr 29, 2011
The Sabbath
by: Anonymous

I would agree with the Crucification on a Wednesday, but as for the Sabbath I would totally disagree. Jesus stated, Matthew 5:17 (New King James Version)

17 ?Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

If anyone says they keep the Sabbath they can not keep part of the law, but would have to keep ALL of it, and that would include, Numbers 15:32-36 (New King James Version)

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the LORD said to Moses, ?The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.? 36 So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

Apr 26, 2011
What are we overriding?
by: Paul Pavao

Hi Katy,

What stops people from wanting to follow Christ is blind adherence to overly strict interpretations of Scripture. It's the leading trait of the Pharisees. With God right in front of them in the form of Christ, they went racing on in their confident assertions about Scripture.

I'd be willing to venture that it would take years of intense searching to find even one non-Christian who even thinks about the 3 days and 3 nights thing, much less one who's being held back from coming to Christ by it.

People are not overriding God. Real life, which is what both history and current events are, overrides Pharisees. Quite effectively, too.

Apr 26, 2011
Jesus always told the truth!!!
by: Katy

I agree Jesus was Crucified in the midst of the week must be talking about Wed. because that is the only way His word was fulfilled. If Christians want to say it is a technicallity, they are playing into Satan's hand and saying that Jesus fulfilling the sign He gave was not important! Well it is important to those who want to prove that Jesus was not the Son of God. They are paying attention! JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD!
It is obvious some people want to use the History of man to override the authority of God. But it is also true that only a few will enter the Kingdom. We are to study the Scripture to show ourselves aproved, not to study what a lot of people did. As for said people knowing the scripture, that is not hard to believe, even Satan knows the Scripture! God does not change! The 7th day is the Sabbath! It is a GIFT from God! STOP TRYING TO EXCHANGE IT - IT'S RUDE!!! JUST SAY THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

Mar 28, 2011
Read Daniel 9:27
by: Tracy

Read Daniel 9:27. It says that " the middle (or "midst") of the week he will cause cease". Jesus was crucified in the middle of the 49 year period, in the middle of the last 7 years of the "70 weeks" prophecy, and in the middle of the literal 7 day week. When God makes a prophecy that prophecy HAS TO come true in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY, or Satan would be able to call God a liar. So, if Jesus was crucified on Friday, the Daniel 9:27 prophecy did NOT come true, which means that God would be himself a false prophet. THAT is what Satan wants you to believe, that God is not to be trusted. CASE PROVEN. And as for your comment that "life isn't that simple", the TRUTH is the ONLY thing that can be logical, and the TRUTH IS simple. A Wednesday crucifixion/Saturday sunset resurrection is the ONLY scenario that fits ALL the prophecies, so is the ONLY thing that CAN be true.

Mar 26, 2011
Wishful Thinking
by: Paul Pavao

Well, you've said again what you said before. Repeating it won't make it true.

It would be nice if everything fell logically into place, but life doesn't work like that. Your strenuous defense of a Bible interpretation doesn't override the fact that there's alternative interpretations that fit history--and the Scriptures themselves--a lot better.

There's a phrase that describes your position. It's "wishful thinking." Harping on that one verse and accusing those who disagree with you of making God a liar won't change what's true.

Mar 26, 2011
Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection impossible
by: Tracy

Any church that claims a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection is calling Jesus a false prophet. That CANNOT fulfill a "three days and three NIGHTS". Daniel 9:27 also says that the crucifixion would occur in the "midst" of the week. It was, in fact, the middle of the 49 year period, the middle of the final 7 years of the "70 weeks" prophecy, and the middle of the 7 day week. "Midst of the week" HAD to be fulfilled in EVERY possible way, or Satan would be able to call God a liar.

Mar 26, 2011
Sunday observance came from sun worship
by: Tracy

There is no way that the crucifixion could happen on Friday and the resurrection could happen Sunday morning. You can't get three NIGHTS out of that scenario, only TWO nights. It doesn't matter which day you have a meeting on, the Sabbath Commandment says you will REST on the 7th day. If a person says that Sunday is a "special" day, IN PLACE of the 7th day being "special" they are disobeying Jesus. Sunday observance came from worship of the Sun (paganism, which is ignorance of the truth), and they later CLAIMED that the resurrection happened on Sunday to support it. They went to annoint the body of Jesus Sunday morning AFTER BOTH Sabbaths (Feast of Unleaven Bread and the weekly Sabbath). They knew they could not anoint on Friday, because the Romans had posted a three day and three night guard. They went Sunday morning because they were aware that the guard should have ended by then. They knew that the Wednesday to Saturday three days and three nights had been finished. When they found the tomb empty, he had already been gone by about 9 or 10 hours. People use the Sunday resurrection to call Sunday the "Lord's day", because Satan has deceived them into thinking that (by illogical reasoning). The definition of "evil" is to use man's reasoning to disobey God (to do as Eve did).

Mar 22, 2011
History, Waldensians, and Matthew 12
by: Paul Pavao

This response is primarily to Tracy's response. For some reason I never saw his/her response!

The comments about history are wishful thinking. Christians comment about the people who disagree with them. We have abundant descriptions of gnostic beliefs because Christians were always refuting them. We have lots of mention of the Paschal Controversy, over whether Passover was to be celebrated on the day the Jews celebrated it or on the Sunday after. We have mention of whether the Book of Revelation should be in the canon by people on both sides.

And on and on. But there is no discussion among Christians about whether they should keep the Sabbath. Ignatius, who was writing around A.D. 110, said that even the Jews who were converted quit observing the Sabbath and lived in observance of the Lord's day. After that, everything is consistent. They all kept the fulfilled Sabbath described in my original post.

It's true that there may have been some tiny group of people separate from the catholic churches in the 2nd century, but they would be divisive and sinful if they did. The 2nd century church was powerful and holy. Separating from them would be something God was against.

You can practically reconstruct the Bible from the writings of the early Christians. Every one of them quotes Scripture copiously, with much more familiarity than modern Christians show. It's absurd to suggest they didn't know the Scriptures.

They also all knew Matthew 12:39-40. Justin Martyr quotes it directly, and Irenaeus has about 10 quotes from that chapter (as he does with most NT chapters).

Those writers didn't require a Wednesday to Saturday or Sunday time in the grave for Christ to believe that Christ fulfilled the prophecy of the 3 days and nights. Everyone says it was Friday to Sunday, and Matthew 12 didn't bother them at all or make them think differently. That's the strongest evidence of all that just touching the 3 days--part of Friday, all of Saturday, and part of Sunday--qualified as 3 days and nights in Greek and Hebrew thinking.

I will say, though, that the fact that it was Nicodemus that anointed Christ's body on Friday evening does eliminate the contradiction with the ladies buying herbs after the Sabbath. I missed that, nor has anyone ever pointed that out to me. Very helpful.

But that's more evidence that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose Sunday morning.

As far as the final comment about commanded to rest on the Sabbath, I have answered that sufficiently on the original page. There's no good answers to that page because of how well it addresses Matthew 5 and Col. 2, plus it has the universal support of the apostolic churches. "We're commanded to keep the Sabbath" is nowhere near a sufficient response to that kind of evidence.

Mar 21, 2011
by: Anonymous

Because I have little time right now, I'll simply say that a) Jesus has fulfilled many of the feasts, the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread being two of those. Feast of First fruits took place on his resurrection. Understanding of the feasts and their timeline help us to understand the timing of his crucifixion and resurrection b) If you agree with the keeping of the Sabbath (which I do) it is NOT necessary to become SDA as there are millions of lovers of God who are not SDAs yet keep the weekly Sabbath as well as the other sabbaths of God.

Jan 25, 2011
Response to Comment
by: Tracy

Johh 19:31 says that the next day after the crucifixion was a "high day", which confirms it was a yearly Sabbath, not the weekly Sabbath.
The original scripture of Mark 16:1 does not re-instate the contradiction, because John 19:40 states that it was Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus who anointed the body before putting it in the tomb, Mary and the others apparently were not even present. Therefore, it is a good possibility that Mary and the others were not aware that the body had already been anointed with spices. This would make sense because he was only put into the tomb because the Sabbath was almost upon them, so the "first" tomb was only to be temporary until they could bury the body in the permanent location.
So, Mary and the others went to the tomb early Sunday morning to anoint the body because they thought it had not yet been prepared for burial.

The statement that "no one until modern times ever had any problem with the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection", cannot be proven, as you would have to interview the thousands, or even millions, who lived in the last 1,900 years or so. The real probability is that when Jesus said the true church would be a "small flock", and that the gates of Hell (real translation is "gates of the grave") would not prevail against it, means that someone on the Earth would know the truth from his first coming until his second coming, and the Waldensians, for example, probably DID have a problem if someone tried to tell them that the resurrection occurred on Sunday, because they were aware of Jesus' own words in Matthew 12:39 & 40.

The earliest Christian writings that are mentioned were written by those who did not have an understanding, or even an awareness, of all the scriptures, and could very well have been forgeries, or they could have been written by those that Jesus called "wolfs in sheep's clothing" (preaching "another" Jesus), or the letters are misunderstood, as they only say that Sunday is the day they found the tomb empty (which might cause those who WE call "early Christians" to ASSUME, as people do today, that the resurrection occurred Sunday morning). Any church that teaches a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrecton is actually calling Jesus a "false prophet", saying that his prophecy in Matthew 12:39 & 40 did not come true.

Another point that shows the Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection CANNOT be true, is that it says that six days before the crucifixion Jesus traveled to Jerusalem. If he was crucified on Friday, then six days before that would be the previous weekly Sabbath, which he would not travel on.

A Catholic priest once told me that they observe Sunday to "celebrate the resurrection". Nowhere in the Bible does it COMMAND us to "celebrate the resurrection", but it does COMMAND us to rest on the Sabbath.

Jan 25, 2011
History and Bible Interpretation
by: Paul Pavao

The real problem with so much modern Bible interpretation is that it's divorced from real life. We love to theorize, mostly about things that can't be tested.

If there were no actual history, I'd have to grant you that your interpretation of the Sabbath is a *possibility*. It would still suffer from the fact that the argument that the Gospels are including Thursday of that particular Passover week as a "high Sabbath" is really pretty weak. On the other hand, its strength would be that it allows Mary Magdalene and the other ladies to buy spices *after* the Sabbath (Mk. 16:1), yet anoint the body with those spices *before* the Sabbath (Jn. 19:40).

You need 2 Sabbaths for that not to be a contradiction. Of course, in your case, you just argued that Mark 16:1 is supposed to read "Sabbaths," plural, so you reinstate the contradiction because you've got them bringing the spices to anoint him after both Sabbaths, not just after one.

The real problem with all of this, though, is that no one until modern times ever had any problems with the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection. From the very earliest of the Christian writings, they all understand Jesus to have risen on the 1st day. (Off the top of my head, I can reference _Letter of Barnabas_ 15 and Justin's _First Apology_ 67.)

Where did the churches get this idea? Did they just make it up?

Why would they make it up? The argument that they were sun-worshipers is untenable. They didn't worship the sun. They worshiped and lived for Christ and gave their lives for him, in most cases a lot better than we do.

The fact is, just like the Gospels seem to suggest, he really rose on the 1st day, and that's what the apostles told the churches happened. Remember, the apostles were first and foremost witnesses of the resurrection (Acts 1:22; 4:33; 10:40-41; 17:18).

Did they fail at their task? Every last one of the churches founded by the apostles misunderstood the day on which Jesus rose?

I don't think so.

It's time for us to return to the real world and to talk about things that can be seen, felt, and experienced (1 Jn. 1:1-4). Those who meet on Sunday are not devil worshipers. Many of them are good, godly people, and there is absolutely no difference in the holiness of people who meet on Saturday and people who meet on Sunday. There is only a difference between those who zealously love and obey Jesus and those who don't.

As for your assertions against the belief of the apostles' churches concerning the fullness of the Sabbath command, those are just assertions. The fact that you don't like what they believed does not constitute an argument against those beliefs. Your assertions are sufficiently answered in my original article.

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